What are the challenges associated with the birth narratives of Jesus?

The obvious conclusion is that all this nonsense was made up long after Paul and Mark wrote what the earliest christians believed. The “big fish” was getting bigger and bigger, fishier and fishier.

The entire prophecy was to be fulfilled within 65 years.

If one of the genealogies was for Mary, the purest of women had children via incest with her brother!

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Why two irreconcilably different genealogies? One of Jesus's alleged ancestors, Jeconiah, was cursed by God. The curse was that none of Jeconiah’s descendants would sit on the throne of David or rule Judah. (Jeremiah 22:30) However, Matthew 1:12 says the cursed Jeconiah was an ancestor of Jesus, meaning he could not be the Messiah! Apparently the author of Luke, or one of his redactors, caught the error and changed the fake genealogy to branch through Nathan rather than Solomon. This also had the advantage of keeping the world’s most famous idolator, Solomon, from being an ancestor of Jesus!

I could go on and on, but you get the picture.

Both genealogies specifically include Joseph, and end with Joseph being the father of Jesus.

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The child was to be called Emmanuel, which no one in the bible called Jesus, probably because Matthew’s birth narrative was added after the rest of the New Testament had been written, or because no one believed Matthew’s lies.

The bible said an heir of David would always sit on the throne of Israel and would continually rule there. The prophet Jeremiah said, “For this is what the LORD says: ‘David will never fail to have a man to sit on the throne of Israel.’” (Jeremiah 33:17). That prophecy failed soon after David’s death, as ten of the twelve tribes of Israel were lost and Israel ceased to exist as a nation. Another Bible writer then hedged his bets drastically by saying David would always have an heir continually on the throne of the tiny province of Judea (2 Kings 8:19). But that prophecy also failed. The bible confirms both prophecies failed, since King Herod was an Idumaean. And for long periods of time there was no king of Israel or Judea, as at present.

“Judah could not dislodge the Jebusites, who were living in Jerusalem; to this day the Jebusites live there with the people of Judah.” (Joshua 15:63)

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“The LORD was with the men of Judah. They took possession of the hill country, but they were unable to drive the people from the plains, because they had chariots fitted with iron.” (Judges 1:19 NIV)

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Confirming this, the virgin birth was was not mentioned outside the Bible until the second century AD, in the writings of Justin Martyr and Ignatius.

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The bible also said the Levites would always offer sacrifices to their “god” continually: “Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.” (Jeremiah 33:18) But the Jerusalem temple was destroyed twice and for long periods of time (including the present) no sacrifices were offered because the temple did not exist.

Christian apologists love to claim that one of the genealogies was for Mary, but this makes no sense because:

The bible says the Messiah must be a descendant of King David, and the ancestry of Jewish kings was determined by their fathers, not their mothers. Thus if David did not have a human father who was descended from David, he could not be the Messiah.

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In fact, the bible itself contradicts the “virgin birth” nonsense:

Even more damningly, the most stupendous event in human history, if it were true, was never mentioned inside the bible, other than in the lie-filled gospels of Matthew and Luke.

Jeconiah was called Jechonias in the KJV and was also known as Jehoiachin and Coniah.

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Ezekiel, whom I call Zany Zeke, prophesied that Nebuchadnezzar would sack and destroy Tyre, leaving it an uninhabited waste forever. (Ezekiel 26:1-21) Zany Zeke went on for three colorful chapters about all the dooms the “Sovereign Lord” would inflict on Tyre. (Ezekiel chapters 26-28) But Zany Zeke’s hero Nebuchadnezzar failed to sack Tyre and Zany Zeke admitted that he was a false prophet on the pages of the bible! (Ezekiel 29:18)

In conclusion, there is no reason to believe anything in the lie-filled gospels of Matthew and Luke. If Jesus actually lived, which is not a given, the oldest gospel, Mark, and the legitimate epistles of Paul give us the clearest picture of what the earliest christians believed. That means no virgin birth, no ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE, no “ascension” with Jesus soaring into the clouds like Superman, no apostle Peter healing all the sick people in entire cities with his shadow, etc.

The loopy “virgin birth” was based on a mistranslation in the Septuagint, which mistranslated the Hebrew word for a young woman, almah, with the Greek word for a virgin, parthenos. Furthermore, the prophecy had nothing to do with the Messiah.

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The lie-filled birth narratives of Matthew and Luke are irreconcilably incompatible:

Jehovah was proved a false prophet because he promised Canaan to Abraham and his descendants but never was able to deliver it. In an amusing Bible verse, an all-powerful “god” was on the side of the tribe of Judah (the tribe of David, Solomon and later Jesus), but this god-favored tribe was unable to drive out pagan tribes because they had iron chariots!

But according to Luke the family stayed in Jerusalem for around a month, then returned to Nazareth without any attempts on the baby Jesus’s life.

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Bible apologists love to claim the Israelites failed to conquer other tribes because of this or that “sin,” but in truth the Bible says its “god” was on the side of Judah, but was stymied by low-tech iron chariots. What would Jehovah do in the face of modern weaponry, one wonders?

We must also consider the other lies of Matthew and Luke, such as the fake genealogies (both), the ludicrous ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE (Matthew) and the only ascension in the gospels (Luke).

In any case, the fake genealogies are completely incompatible because one fraudulently claims that Jesus was related to David through his most famous son, Solomon, while the other claims it was through David’s son Nathan.

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The earliest christian texts, the epistles of Paul and the first gospel, Mark, never mention the “virgin birth,” the magical star of Bethlehem (and how does a star point at a specific house?), the Magi, angels serenading the birth of Jesus, the “massacre of the innocents,” the “flight into Egypt, etc.

We see the same thing happen in Judges chapter 15. Here Jehovah gave the tribe of Judah an allotment of territories that included Jerusalem. At that time the great god-favored heroes Joshua and Caleb were leading the Israelites. But despite being favored by an all-powerful “god” they were unable to defeat the Jebusites in order to take the Bible’s most important city!

The author of Jeremiah said the two prophecies above were irrevocable: “Thus saith the Lord; If ye can break my covenant of the day, and my covenant of the night, and that there should not be day and night in their season; then may also my covenant be broken with David my servant, that he should not have a son to reign upon his throne; and with the Levites the priests, my ministers.” (Jeremiah 33:20-21) But it was all bluster and both prophecies came to a hill of beans.

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In Mark 3:20-31, Jesus’s family, including his mother Mary, thought he was out of his mind and came to collect him, presumably to take him home and calm him down. Of course this makes no sense if (1) angels told Mary that Jesus was the son of god, (2) she confirmed this by giving birth as a virgin, and (3) she knew that Jesus could turn water into wine, then watched him perform the miracle before he began his ministry, according to the gospel of John.

The bible itself confirms that Ezekiel’s prophecies about Tyre were false, since according to the New Testament both Jesus and Paul visited Tyre. Egypt has never been an uninhabited wasteland for even a second in recorded history, much less at the hands of Nebuchadnezzar for 40 years.

The young woman was already pregnant at the time of the prophecy.

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Matthew says the long-dead King Herod the Great resurrected to attempt to kill the baby Jesus in the “massacre of the innocents,” which caused Joseph to flee with his family to Egypt. I say “long dead” because Herod had been dead for at least ten years at the time of the census that required Joseph to return to Bethlehem to be numbered and taxed, according to Luke.

The original “prophecy” was fake, because the writer knew Ephraim and Syria would be destroyed and kingless within 65 years of the “prophecy.” The writers of the bible often “backdated” prophecies, and when they didn’t their prophecies flopped spectacularly. For example:

Zany Zeke then immediately launched into a new false prophecy, confidently predicting that his hero Nebuchadnezzar would sack Egypt and leave it an uninhabited wasteland for 40 years. (Ezekiel 29:9-13). Once again Zany Zeke went on and on about all the terrible punishments the “Sovereign Lord” would inflict on Egypt, this time for five chapters. (Ezekiel chapters 29-33) That prophecy also failed miserably.

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Amusingly, the liars who wrote Matthew and Luke initially affirmed this, by creating two fake genealogies for Jesus, with Joseph as his father. Of course the fake genealogies, which completely contradict each other, make no sense if Joseph was not Jesus’s father.

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